Thursday, February 22, 2007

BBC: "Conspiracy on conspiracy"

Isn't it funny how the more Rudin tries to deny there is a conspiracy, the guilter he appears.

I suppose it had to happen. First we’re accused of being spies. Then we’re told we’re getting our orders from others.

For someone who isn't a spy, he sure is giving a very good impression of one.

But then came an even more outlandish conspiracy theory suggesting there were two versions of the 9/11 programme which was broadcast last Sunday. Conspiracy piles on conspiracy.

Ian Crane, Chairman of the 9/11 Truth Campaign for the UK and Ireland, claimed last Friday that a source had told him that we were in a “in a quandary over which version of 9/11: The Conspiracy Files will be put out to air”.

He alleged: ”One version is a well-balanced piece of investigative journalism, whereas the alternative version is a hit-piece, intent on portraying 9/11 Truth Campaigners as nothing more than a lunatic fringe group.”

And the story was picked up on the Alex Jones’ website Prison Planet with the headline “BBC Pressured to Air 9/11 Hit Piece?

Only trouble is there weren’t two versions, no-one bothered to check with us and, what's more, we worked very hard to make sure the programme was fair and balanced.

It's a shame it's just a conspiracy theory, Rudin. If you did have another version of the documentary, you could have released it to save your credibility. According to you and your ilk, conspiracy theorists love to engage in wishful thinking, and you just shattered their hopes that BBC might not be a totally inept propaganda mouthpiece as your documentary has revealed it to be.

Behind it all there seems to be a concern that we wouldn’t run a story supporting a conspiracy theory if we found convincing evidence. That couldn’t be further from the truth.

Gee, I wonder where people get such ideas? Maybe it has something to do with your 'documentary' trying to smear us by showing to the public theories that neither Alex Jones nor 9/11 Truth Campaign for the UK actually endorse, and that have been discredited inside the movement years ago.

First, there was no editorial interference in the programme whatsoever. Second, if we had found convincing evidence of a conspiracy before 9/11 no one could have held us back from broadcasting such an important story.

We didn’t find anything conclusive proving the conspiracy theories. Instead we found a lot of evidence which supported the official version and contradicted the various conspiracy theories.

You missed another opportunity to save your arse, Rudin. Conspiracy mongers as we are, we had some hopes that maybe you're just being ordered to make up that bilge for public consumption, but you're telling us that you're just an incompetent on your own.

Too bad for you, Rudin. Even we conspiracy theorists are coincidence theorists at heart, and we would love to believe that you're just so inept that you can't do enough research to find our real arguments. But you're starting to look too suspicious for your own good.

Where there was some evidence of a conspiracy after the event to cover-up intelligence failures, we included that in the programme, together with an interview with Senator Bob Graham, who co-chaired a Congressional Inquiry into 9/11.

You're so full of shit. Your documentary didn't mention anything about the 'New Pearl Harbor' quote in the document of the Project for a New American Century, which you could at least have attempted to spin into meaning that the neocons didn't plan but just 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbor. It made no mention of Larry Silverstein's 'Pull it' quote, which you could have attempted to spin into meaning that he 'pulled the firefighters' out of the building. Your documentary repeated the assertions made by the NIST report, called Popular Mechanics a 'no-nonsense' magazine, despite having been repeatedly debunked and being owned owned by Hearst, and used an animation of the 'truss' theory that was long debunked. Anyone who does basic 9/11 research will find out about those essential facts. In addition to that, Alex Jones went on the record saying that he showed those documents to your colleague.

Instead, you tried to link us to anti-Semitism by taking the Odigo story out of context and claiming that we still believe in the missing 4000 Jewish employees rumour. You pitted three 9/11 opponents against thirteen supporters of the official story, while showing Alex Jones for only five minutes and portraying him as a cult leader, and falsely calling Dylan Avery a 'college dropout'. And on top of that, you undermined their image with manipulative camera work. Naturally, we're expected to believe that you're doing all this by coincidence, and I bet you will answer that all just imagining those conspiracies on top of the other layer of conspiracies (oh yeah, and makes the conspiracy more complicated, even though it's supposed to simplify the world for us).

I know the 9/11 Truth Campaign in the UK and Prison Planet in the USA, among others, are encouraging their supporters to write in. And it’s great to see so many comments on the blog. They make fascinating reading and contain a lot of interesting information.

Hmm, let's see, you're smearing us as a bunch of people who believe in conspiracies because we like to make up fantasies, calling us cult members and college dropouts and implying that we're anti-Semites, all this on British public television reaching to the entire world. Maybe there's a reason why we might want to defend ourselves.

However, our opinion poll carried out by GfK NOP did not find much support for the underlying conspiracy theory. In a telephone poll of a 1000 adults we asked:

“Attacks were made on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon on September 11th 2001, commonly known as 9/11. It is generally accepted that these attacks were carried out by ’Al Qaeda’, however some people have suggested there was a wider conspiracy that included the American Government. Do you, yourself, believe that there was a wider conspiracy, or not?”

Leaving aside your insinuation (or shall I call it a 'conspiracy theory'?) that we're part of a fake grassroots campaign, and the fact that our numbers have nothing to do with whether our theories are true or not, anyone who took a research methodology class in college can tell that this question is blatantly leading. The phrase 'it is generally accepted' adds a heavy bias to the question. This has an especially exacerbating effect when carried out on the phone, where the respondent will tend to vote with the majority for fear of judgement from the person taking the poll, and have little time to think about the question before answering.

16% people believed the American Government was involved in a wider conspiracy as against 64% of those questioned who did not believe that. The rest said they did not know.

Gee, I wonder why?

However, as we pointed out in Debunking BBC, other polls, scientific or online, consistently show high levels of support for the 9/11 Truth Movement:

"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

Telling the truth 16%

Hiding something 53%

Mostly lying 28%

Not sure 3%"

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

Although the Bush administration continues to exploit September 11 to justify domestic spying, unprecedented spending and a permanent state of war, a new Zogby poll reveals that less than half of the American public trusts the official 9/11 story or believes the attacks were adequately investigated.

Despite the best efforts of the now whimpering attack poodles of the mainstream media, an online CNN poll shows that over four-fifths, or 82 per cent, agree with actor Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks.

Documentary film maker and radio host Alex Jones, coordinating today's 9/11 truth movement events in downtown New York City, says that the atmosphere around ground zero has dramatically changed, with the majority of firefighters and police officers now sympathetic to the claim that 9/11 was an inside job.

Official BBC propagandist concludes:

In fact our opinion poll found much more widespread doubts of the official accounts of the deaths of Princess Diana and the British Government scientist Dr David Kelly. Almost one in three (31%) people questioned believed the car crash that killed Princess Diana was not an accident, 43% agreed it was an accident, and the rest did not know. Almost one in four (23%) people questioned believed the government scientist Dr Kelly did not commit suicide as against 39% who believed he did commit suicide, with the rest unsure.

And this Sunday, The Conspiracy Files series will examine the many questions that surround the death of Dr David Kelly and reveals new material that challenges the official account of his death.

Aww, mister Rudin throws us a lolly to prove us that he's not a government agent. Nice try.


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At 1:38 AM, Anonymous Banyan said...

You're response to the BBC documentary and the producer's platitudes was way too emotion Kev.

Take a chill pill.

"You're so full of shit. Your documentary didn't mention anything about the 'New Pearl Harbor' quote in the document of the Project for a New American Century, which you could at least have attempted to spin into meaning that the neocons didn't plan but just 'wanted' a New Pearl Harbor."

But PNAC didn't actually recommend a "new Pearl Harbor" involving crashing jets into the WTC, already wired up with explosives, and so on, did they? Nor did they make any recommendations in that document to be ready for such an event did they? If any of you idiots looked more widely you would see there was a much better source to support this (IMHO dubious) proposition of PNAC-pre-9/11-planning. Far more sinister in fact, but mind-sets are too rigid. The PNAC document is the pre-eminent factoid...

"It made no mention of Larry Silverstein's 'Pull it' quote, which you could have attempted to spin into meaning that he 'pulled the firefighters' out of the building."

Of course, "pull it" obviously means the "demolish that building with the secretly placed explosives"!

Carry on Kev.

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